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August 10 2013 11:50 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Better to have optimism, I guess. I don't doubt the man so much as the men surrounding him. Mavericks usually attract sniper fire in the strangest places. If he can sell it to the bishops as a win, he may pull it off.
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August 21 2013 10:46 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Can we say, "pilgrimage" to see the pope? I think brickhouse would be down....
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September 19 2013 3:00 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Pope Warns That Church Is Focusing Too Much on Abortion, Contraception and Gay Marriage

Francis Sets Out Vision of More Welcoming Church, Less Preoccupied With Doctrine
September 19, 2013

In his first lengthy papal interview, Pope Francis says bluntly that the church has been too focused on the issues of abortion, gay marriage and contraception and suggests it find a "new balance" to deliver its message.

Pope Francis has warned that the Catholic Church's focus on abortion, contraception and gay marriage risked overshadowing its pastoral mission and threatened to bring down the church "like a house of cards."

The Pope's comments, made as part of a blunt, wide-ranging interview with the Italian Jesuit journal Civilta' Cattolica, didn't mark a break with church teaching. But they set out a vision of a church that is more welcoming and less preoccupied with strict doctrine.

In doing so, Pope Francis appeared to put more distance between himself and his two predecessors, Pope Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul II, who strongly supported traditional church dogma. Indeed, the interview comes in the wake of grumblings from some bishops that the new pope has failed to issue strong pronouncements on divisive issues.

"We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods," said the pontiff, who came to power in March after the sudden resignation of Pope Benedict. "This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that."

"The teaching of the Church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the Church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time," he said. "We have to find a new balance; otherwise even the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards."

The 12,000-word interview, which touched on personal points such as the pope's favorite composer, artist, author and film (Mozart, Caravaggio, Dostoevsky and Fellini's "La Strada"), was conducted in August. It was published simultaneously by Civilta' Cattolica and other Jesuit magazines globally on Thursday and was vetted by the pope, the first Jesuit to be elected pontiff.

Pope Francis, who has eschewed living in the grand papal apartments at the Vatican in favor of a modest guesthouse, has become enormously popular among many Catholics for his human touch and modesty.

While he has affirmed Catholic teachings, he has opened the door to groups that have at times struggled in their relationship with the church, such as gays and women.

In the interview, the pope expanded on comments he made in July regarding homosexuals. On a return flight from a trip to Brazil, he said, "Who am I to judge a gay person of goodwill who seeks the Lord?"

In the interview released Thursday, he expanded on that welcoming stance, which was seen as a departure from the Church's long-standing thinking, even though the pontiff has reaffirmed church teaching that homosexual acts are a sin.

"In Buenos Aires I used to receive letters from homosexual persons who are 'socially wounded' because they tell me that they feel like the church has always condemned them. But the church does not want to do this," said the Argentine-born Pope.

He also suggested a shift in the church's attitude toward women could be in the cards. While he didn't address the question of the ordination of women, he said that "women are asking deep questions that must be addressed."

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September 19 2013 3:36 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
he seems like a decent guy. weird.
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Pope Francis denounces ‘trickle-down’ economic theories in critique of inequality 11/26/2013

Pope Francis on Tuesday sharply criticized growing economic inequality and unfettered markets in a
lengthy paper outlining a populist philosophy that he says will guide his papacy as he pushes the Catholic Church to reach out more, particularly to the disenfranchised.

Using sharply worded phrases, Francis decried an “idolatry of money” and warned it would lead to “a new tyranny.” And he invoked language with particular resonance in the United States, attacking an economic theory that discourages taxation and regulation and which most affiliate with conservatives.

“Some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world,” Francis wrote in the papal statement. “This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naive trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system.”

“Meanwhile,” he added, “the excluded are still waiting.”

While Francis has raised concerns before about the growing gap between the wealthy and poor since becoming pontiff in March, his direct reference to “trickle-down” economic theory in the English translation of his 50,000-word statement was striking.

The phrase has often been used to describe the popular version of conservative or Republican economic philosophy 'Reaganomics' that argues that allowing the wealthy to run their businesses unencumbered by regulation or taxation bears economic benefits that lead to more jobs and income for the rest of society. .

Francis’s focus on the subject is especially notable given dramatic changes in the world economy.

Many of the world’s richest countries are experiencing historic levels of income inequality, with the quality of the life for workers in the middle no longer improving.

And even in the developing world, there are emerging concerns about inequality and whether workers will benefit from their countries’ increasing prosperity. In China, for instance, officials have made repeated promises to tackle the country’s widening income gap.

It’s the “boldness and explicitness” of the pope’s new writing that makes it so newsworthy, said Michael Sean Winters, a fellow at Catholic University’s Institute for Policy Research and Catholic Studies.

“There’s no way a Catholic who is a serious intellectual can ever again not address the issue of income inequality, of the structural sins of our economic system. This is so front and center,” he said Tuesday.

He’s saying, ‘If we’re serious Christians, we need to be knee deep in this stuff.’”

Winters, who writes on Catholicism for the National Catholic Reporter, said a key to understanding Francis is that he’s from Argentina and was archbishop of Buenos Aires in 2001, when the country’s economy collapsed.

“When you see people trying to bless capitalism, he has a very real, vivid experience of capitalism and what it has brought to his country, and it’s not a happy experience,” Winters said. “The key is this is a guy from the Global South. This kind of poverty — there’s no food-stamp program. And these are his people.”
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December 18 2013 7:44 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Pope Francis Shakes Up Important Congregation For Bishops

by Eyder Peralta
December 17, 2013 2:59 PM


Pope Francis continues to shake up the Vatican establishment. This time, in what observers are calling a major move, he reshuffled the membership of the Congregation for Bishops, one of the most important organizations in the Vatican.

In the biggest shakeup announced on Monday, Francis removed Cardinal Raymond L. Burke from the group and replaced him with another American, Cardinal Donald Wuerl of Washington, D.C..

Burke is known as an outspoken critic of abortion and gay marriage. In fact, on Dec. 12, Burke disagreed with Francis about how much the Catholic leadership should talk about the issues.

"One gets the impression, or it's interpreted this way in the media, that he thinks we're talking too much about abortion, too much about the integrity of marriage as between one man and one woman," Cardinal Burke said. "But we can never talk enough about that."

The pope's decision to remove Cardinal Raymond L. Burke from the Congregation for Bishops was taken by church experts to be a signal that Francis is willing to disrupt the Vatican establishment in order to be more inclusive.

Even so, many saw the move less as an effort to change doctrine on specific social issues than an attempt to bring a stylistic and pastoral consistency to the church's leadership.

"'He is saying that you don't need to be a conservative to become a bishop,' said Alberto Melloni, the director of the John XXIII Foundation for Religious Studies in Bologna, Italy, a liberal Catholic research institute. 'He wants good bishops, regardless of how conservative or liberal they are.'"

Rocco Palmo, who writes the definitive Vatican blog Whispers in the Loggia, called the move A big deal.

"For those who enjoy what Italians do best, that Wuerl – already known to be a sought-out figure in Francis' orbit – has replaced Burke, his and , on the Congregation's membership is nothing short of extraordinary," Palmo wrote. "With today's nod, the District cardinal becomes the first shepherd of the nation's capital to have a seat at the Curia's most significant table of all; until now, only prior archbishops of New York, Boston and Philadelphia have known the role."

Today, Pope Francis made another move. He named Fr. John Doerfler of Green Bay the new Bishop of Marquette.

As Palmo explains, Doerfler is very much affiliated with the new school. But his appointment also sends a conflicting message.

"... Given the enduring public impression that Francis has effected some sort of 'change' to church teaching on homosexuality – most recently seen yesterday in the Pope's selection as 'Person of the Year' by the flagship LGBT magazine The Advocate – it's worth noting that Doerfler's bio lists the bishop-elect's involvement with the church-sanctioned support group for Catholics who seek to live chastely with same-sex attraction," Palmo writes.

The pope also removed Cardinal Justin Rigali, the former archbishop of Philadelphia, from the Congregation for Bishops. From his committee post, Cardinal Rigali has long been a crucial player in shaping the American hierarchy. He stepped down as archbishop of Philadelphia amid a scandal over his handling of priest abuse cases there.

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"It's an ugly thing," Pope Francis said, "when you see a Christian who doesn't want to humble himself, who doesn't want to serve, a Christian who struts about everywhere: it's ugly, eh? That's not a Christian: that's a pagan!"

Rush Limbaugh Attacks Pope Francis' Letter as 'Pure Marxism'

Radio commentator Rush Limbaugh attacked Pope Francis' letter, condemning the pope's comments on the "new tyranny" of "unfettered capitalism" as uninformed and somehow planted by the Marxist movement.

"This is just pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the pope," Limbaugh declared. The commentator noted that, until this letter, he had admired Pope Francis. Now, however, he must distance himself. On economics, the pope is "totally wrong, I mean dramatically, embarrassingly, puzzlingly wrong."

In "Evangelii Gaudium," an "apostolic exhortation" sent to the entire Roman Catholic Church, Francis insisted on a renewal of the Catholic Church and a political battle against poverty and inequality to combat a soulless economic system. "The worship of the ancient golden calf (cf. Ex 32:1-35) has returned in a new and ruthless guise in the idolatry of money and the dictatorship of an impersonal economy lacking a truly human purpose," Francis wrote.

"As long as the problems of the poor are not radically resolved by rejecting the absolute autonomy of markets and financial speculation and by attacking the structural causes of inequality, no solution will be found for the world's problems or, for that matter, to any problems."

"Just as the commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' sets a clear limit in order to safeguard the value of human life, today we also have to say 'thou shalt not' to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills."

"This totally befuddled me," Limbaugh admitted. "There has been a longstanding tension between the church and communism," he continued, referring to a previous pope, John Paul II, who is widely credited with helping President Ronald Reagan and Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher defeat Soviet communism in the 1980s. In this light, Pope Francis' attack on capitalism seemed out of place.

Limbaugh insinuated that the letter's true origin could not have been Francis himself. "Somebody has either written this for him or gotten to him," the radio host alleged.

Francis urged politicians "to attack the structural causes of inequality, and strive to provide work, healthcare, and education to all citizens," Limbaugh said. Unfortunately, the radio host argued, these policies do not work. He pointed to President Obama's efforts in the past five years, arguing that "all he's done is create massive debt and destroy jobs."

The pope also called on rich people to share their wealth, Limbaugh noted. But this will not lift the poor out of their condition, he argued.

"Socialism, Marxism, constrains people, it limits people, it prevents people from realizing their potential as human beings," Limbaugh claimed. In America, however, capitalism enables anyone to make their dreams come true, if they work hard, he claimed. "For most of the people in the world, dreams are nothing but that – they start as dreams and end as dreams – and that's why people around the world have sought to come here."

In a new interview with the Italian newspaper La Stampa, Pope Francis responded to the allegations that he is a Marxist.

“Marxist ideology is wrong," the Pope told La Stampa, "But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people, so I don’t feel offended."

“There is nothing in the exhortation that cannot be found in the social doctrine of the church,” the pope said. He acknowledged rejecting what he termed “trickle-down theories” of economic growth, but said such a position “does not mean being a Marxist.”

Pope Francis repeated earlier calls for an end to world hunger, recounting a recent encounter during a public audience with a woman holding an infant.

“The child was crying its eyes out as I came past,” the pope said. “’Please give it something to eat!’ I said. She was shy and didn’t want to breastfeed in public while the pope was passing. I wish to say the same to humanity: give people something to eat!”

Since taking charge, Francis has shifted the tone of the church toward a focus on service, compassion and helping the poor and has addressed controversial issues such as homosexuality, climate change, pollution, and even recycling and environmental responsibility.

At his final general audience of 2013 in St. Peter's Square on Wednesday, the pope spoke about the birth of Jesus and the importance of humility.

"It is an ugly thing," he said, "when you see a Christian who doesn't want to humble himself, who doesn't want to serve, a Christian who struts about everywhere: it's ugly, eh? That is not a Christian: that's a pagan!"

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"Atheists, work with us for peace," Pope says on Christmas

VATICAN CITY Wed Dec 25, 2013

(Reuters) - Pope Francis, celebrating his first Christmas as Roman Catholic leader, on Wednesday called on atheists to unite with believers of all religions and work for "a homemade peace" that can spread across the world.

Speaking to about 70,000 people from the central balcony of St. Peter's Basilica, the same spot where he emerged to the world as pope when he was elected on March 13, Francis also made another appeal for the environment to be saved from exploitative destruction.

"Lord of heaven and earth, look upon our planet, frequently exploited by human greed and rapacity. Help and protect all the victims," he said.

The leader of the 1.2 billion-member Church wove his first "Urbi et Orbi" (to the city and world) message around the theme of peace.

"Peace is a daily commitment. It is a homemade peace," he said.

He said that people of other religions were also praying for peace, and - departing from his prepared text - he urged atheists to join forces with believers.

"I invite even non-believers to hope for peace. (Join us) with your hope, a hope that widens the heart. Let us all unite, either with prayer or with hope, but everyone, for peace," he said, drawing sustained applause from the crowd.

Francis's inclusive reaching out to atheists and people of other religions is a marked contrast to the attitude of former Pope Benedict, who sometimes left non-Catholics feeling that he saw them as second-class believers.

He called for "social harmony in South Sudan, where current tensions have already caused numerous victims and are threatening peaceful coexistence in that young state".

Thousands are believed to have died in violence divided along ethnic lines between the Nuer and Dinka tribes in the country, which seceded from Sudan in 2011 after decades of war.

The pontiff also called for dialogue to end the conflicts in Syria, Nigeria, Democratic Republic of Congo and Iraq, and prayed for a "favorable outcome" to the peace process between Israelis and Palestinians.

"Wars shatter and hurt so many lives!" he said, saying their most vulnerable victims were children, elderly, battered women and the sick.

The thread running through the message was that individuals had a role in promoting peace, either with their neighbor or between nations.

The message of the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem was directed at "every man or woman who keeps watch through the night, who hopes for a better world, who cares for others while humbly seeking to do his or her duty," he said.

"God is peace: let us ask him to help us to be peacemakers each day, in our life, in our families, in our cities and nations, in the whole world," he said.

Pilgrims came from all over the world for Christmas at the Vatican and some said it was because they felt Francis had brought a breath of fresh air and a new inclusive and compassionate vision to the Church.

In his speech, Francis asked God to "look upon the many children who are kidnapped, wounded and killed in armed conflicts, and all those who are robbed of their childhood and forced to become soldiers".

He also called for a "dignified life" for migrants, praying tragedies such as one in which hundreds died in a shipwreck off the coast of the Italian island of Lampedusa are never repeated, and made a particular appeal against human trafficking, which he called a "crime against humanity".

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December 27 2013 11:39 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Kadesh

Can we say, "pilgrimage" to see the pope? I think brickhouse would be down....

Why in the world should anyone make a pilgrimage to see a man just because he isn't horrendous?
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December 27 2013 11:55 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Bad things tend to happen to those in powerful positions that promote peace. Lets hope this doesn't happen here.
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December 27 2013 12:17 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
martyrdom would be a pope's highest honor.
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Originally posted by: capn merika

Go figure a fat piece of shit would disagree with an unselfish call for empathy and compassion.

Don't forget philandering drug criminal, and sex tourist.
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December 28 2013 2:08 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: capn merika

ever since he made those comments i've been sending him a really awful tweet a day

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Originally posted by: crunkmoose

Originally posted by: capn merika

Go figure a fat piece of shit would disagree with an unselfish call for empathy and compassion.

Don't forget philandering drug criminal, and sex tourist.

i don't care if someone uses drugs, i don't care if someone uses hookers, i don't even care if someone cheats on their spouse - she could be just as contemptible as he is - she did agree to marry him, and i'm guessing it wasn't for his compassion.

what i do care about is someone using their influence over a voting block in the most powerful country in the world to get them to do evil, shitty things that affect the entire planet and everything in it. "unfettered u.s. capitalism" doesn't just hurt the poor in this country, it affects lives all around the world. it creates foreign sweatshops, it corrupts foreign governments and props up foreign dictatorships and mafias, it pollutes foreign land, water, and air, it deforests foreign wilderness and destroys habitat, and it runs foreign wildlife into extinction.

what he does with his dick or his brain chemistry doesn't interest me in the least.
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