Originally posted by: crunkmoose
Israel isn't targeting civlians so stop crying about it. Sucks they get hit, but they aren't deliberately trying to kill them.
Yes, they sometimes are. When you drop cluster bombs in civilian areas (which, again, is a war crime) you ARE targeting civilians. When they bulldoze the houses of suicide bombers' families, they are targeting civilians. When they use collective punishment (another war crime), they are targeting civilians.
Just because you want it to be true does not make it true. YOU are the only one here making excuses for war crimes and for the murder of civilians. Get that straight. While some may be more sympathetic to the palestinians, I have yet to see anyone here actually saying that what is done by militants is actually acceptable.
you have this bad habit of making blanket exaggerations, and false claims.
Mr Egeland added: "Cluster bombs have affected large areas - lots of homes, lots of farmland. They will be with us for many months, possibly years.
"Every day, people are maimed, wounded and killed by these weapons. It shouldn't have happened."
Mr Egeland said his information had come from the UN Mine Action Co-ordination Centre, which had undertaken assessments of nearly 85% of the bombed areas in Lebanon.
Earlier this week the US state department launched an inquiry into whether Israel misused US-made cluster bombs in Lebanon during the conflict.
A senior White House official told the BBC that the investigation would focus on whether US-made weapons were used against non-military targets.
"What we did was insane and monstrous, we covered entire towns in cluster bombs," the head of an IDF rocket unit in Lebanon said regarding the use of cluster bombs and phosphorous shells during the war.
Quoting his battalion commander, the rocket unit head stated that the IDF fired around 1,800 cluster bombs, containing over 1.2 million cluster bomblets.
where is the evidence that there were not violent islamic cells hidden in these villages?
this is the evidence I'm looking for. anything can look bad out of context. You must be sure before you start pointing fingers.
Even if there were it is still a war crime and it is still murder. These are cluster bombs... not standard explosive munitions, and dropping them in civilian areas is a war crime whether there are militants there or not. That is because not all of their bomblettes explode when dropped and can explode later killing and maiming civilians. Children far too often find them and play with them not knowing what they are.
As usual, you are making excuses. You drop cluster bombs into a civilian area it is a war crime and it is the knowing murder and/or maiming of civilians.
Good work, you found one example of something terrible that Israel did. I condemn it straight out. But if you read in this article, I want you to recognize that Israel is not doing this anymore. They stopped doing this. Apparently this article was last updated "Wednesday, 30 August 2006, 18:56 GMT 19:56 UK " 4 YEARS AGO!!
Now should I go through the violent history of Palestine starting from the latest time of all the things they did to civilians?!? Since this cluster bombing, Israel has renounced their actions so why are you crying about something Israel isn't doing now? Yes it was terrible, but it's long in the past after people have already said they won't do it.
so what's your argument?
I found one example? Perhaps you should do a little research for yourself.
As for it being nearly 4 years ago... that was the date of their last major incursion into Lebanon, dumbass. That doesn't necessarily mean they have stopped dropping cluster bombs at all, just that they have not had a major bombing campaign AT ALL since.
Cluster bombs (and Israel knew this) can last for years if the parts are not all found.. which means they can kill for years.
As for the palestinians... you go right ahead and list all their atrocities if you like.... I have never said they do not occur or made any excuses for them. You were defending israel's record because you had no idea what israel's record was. You found out they have actually done terrible, criminal things... so you try to act (as is so often the case with those who are pro-israel) like calling them on their war crimes somehow means one agrees with palestinian violence. I do not agree with such acts no matter who does them... jew, arab, israeli, palestinian, lebanese... does not fucking matter.
I am, however, genuinely glad to see you actually condemn israel's actions rather than just make lots of excuses for it when it was clearly criminal.
I can't find anything about cluster bombs except for that article you gave. It's been 4 friggin years. You're citing something in the Bush years. That was condemned by America. You're trying to pass off old news as something happening now. That is very sneaky, but I asked for evidence from you because I know how sneaky and deceitful you can be.
I will always condemn wrong doing. But I would like you to realize that neither side is a perfect angel. Between the two though, Israel has a far less bloody history and less evil motives. I stand by them because they aren't DELIBERATELY and religiously trying to murder Palestine. It's even written in the Koran that Israel should die. You can't win this debate. You are a hypocrite because you don't condemn Palestine.