yeah but before the 'decline' the Pats were playing on a level that is not seen in the NFL every year. Forgive me for not wanting write them off after a few bad seasons. regardless we're stretching from the points now

Yeah and before the decline they had Asante Samuel leading the league in picks, they had Richard Seymour at DE, they had Josh McDaniels as OC, they had a happy and unalienated Adalius Thomas, they had WR depth with Donte Stallworth and Jabar Gaffney, they had Teddy Bruschi at LB, they had Brady healthy, they had defensive signals on video, they had an effective running game,

none of those things are still true

This is not even the same team as 2 years ago.

Originally posted by: Wes Mantooth

people can't agree to disagree anymore?

nope and this place is wasted on useless arguing

I myself see both points, and to say that the pats are in the top 5 is wrong for this year. They have potential to be great next season just the same as the steelers. Obviously right now best teams overall have shown up.

in no particular order

vikings,saints,colts,chargers,and with phili having 10 wins...right now they would be #5


records are all that matters...that is what everyone but you is indicating, your going over what has gone on for the past ... and if you do you would see that indianapolis has been far more successful season wise then even the pats

I want my steelers to win...but hey I can't play the game for them on my x box and have it count