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Bitch_Tits @ April 26, 2005 6:23 PM
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Originally posted by:crimescene

Originally posted by:GO VEGAN!

vegans consume no animal prodcuts whatsoever. Veggies sometimes consume dairy and/or eggs, etc.

...don't forget that there are people who're vegetarians for health reasons and don't have a problem with wearing leather or fur etc.
veganism is more then just a food aspect.

Main Entry: con·sume
Pronunciation: k&n-'süm
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): con·sumed; con·sum·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French or Latin; Middle French consumer, from Latin consumere, from com- + sumere to take up, take, from sub- up + emere to take -- more at SUB-, REDEEM
transitive senses
1 : to do away with completely : DESTROY
2 a : to spend wastefully : SQUANDER b : USE UP
3 : to eat or drink especially in great quantity
4 : to engage fully : ENGROSS
intransitive senses
1 : to waste or burn away : PERISH
2 : to utilize economic goods

crimescene @ April 26, 2005 6:28 PM
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Originally posted by:GO VEGAN!

anyone that doesnt have a problem with wearing fur and leather is a scumbag anyway, regardless of their diet.

Lament Configuration @ December 27, 2015 8:07 PM
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In the final analysis, however, plant agriculture is and has been far more destructive to the majority of the planet's species than hunting, gathering, etc. could ever be. Add to that the domesticated animal "agriculture" we deploy on an industrial level, and you have the evil, putrid swill that is modern civilization.

A world with a human population of 100 million that was not vegetarian would be far better for all animals (and plants) living in it than a world of 7 billion that was, or that debated the issue like we do. Get to the real problem - there's way too many of us, by a factor of like at least ten..
WREN @ December 28, 2015 7:51 AM
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You honestly believe that plant farming is the biggest cause to the destruction of the planet? Over the meat industry? Over carbon emissions?

I'll give you that there are far more people on this planet than their should be and the overpopulation calls for overuse of resources, not to mention that as a whole, humans are greedy so it amplifies the problem, but I would say that vegetation farming is far less harmful to the Earth than plenty of other factors. Let's face it, until a mass extinction event happens and if some humans do survive, we're not going back to a hunter/gatherer society.
Lament Configuration @ December 29, 2015 6:57 PM
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It's historical fact, unfortunately. The transition from the mesolithic to the neolithic resulted in not only the most radical deforestation and habitat destruction the world had ever before seen, but the creation of the paradigm for such destruction - what historians call the "neolithic package", a mobile set of behaviors and actions and technologies which were transported from the middle east to Asia and Europe and finally to the Americas. What were once vast, old growth wilderness forests with thousand year old trees forming vast cathederal canopies on every continent that we can't even conceive of, were transformed through clearcutting, burning, or even just gradual encroachment into raw open farmland and pasture to support the social hierarchies of massive wealth accumulation and slavery that are not as possible in hunter societies, where skill, intelligence, and cooperation are more crucial qualities than wealth measured in things like money or grain stores. The greatest trees of Europe were likely already gone by the time of Christ and Caesar, and certainly by the time of Charlemagne or soon thereafter, and, though it had already developed in mesoamerica, Columbus would transport the latest version of this putrescent mental/cultural/technological virus across the Atlantic, as would others across the Pacific until everyone everywhere was growing sugar cane, wheat, rice, corn, etc. in monocultural, single-species fields where tens of thousands of species had once interacted in complex ecosystems. And yes, animal domestication was and is a part of that macrocosmic version of AIDS but it was and is by no means the most significant or crucial foundation of it: that would be monocultural plant agriculture and the massive population numbers it makes possible with its empty carbohydrate slave-foods.

Of course all this is not to say that the trends toward organic agriculture and free range meat are not a step in a slightly better direction, but the underlying aspects of habitat destruction/substitution, deforestation, and the homo-superior mentalities, cultures and belief systems they engender remain. As for extinction events for our own species, the various agrarian feedback loops which simultaneously destroyed forest predators while feeding their contagion-carrying prey with grain producing fields and stores that resulted in plagues in antiquity and the middle ages were only brief pauses in the cancer and it has always rebounded aggressively. As sappy as it sounds, the best hope in what can only be a centuries-long repair comes from simple, voluntary things like family planning, getting women the right to vote in all countries so they can choose family planning, making higher education available free to anyone anywhere who wants it so they can understand all of the above, etc., things which the internet actually makes vaguely feasible on a global scale for the first time in human history. Of course that won't be allowed to happen though, and we will more likely spike to some Soylent-Green-style population level of like 50 billion, kill every animal species that we can't raise in factory meat processing plants, poison and despoil the oceans, the air, and all remaining wilderness, and just evolve into some slithering, hairless cannibalistic mutant that can live off its own filth.
Lament Configuration @ January 12, 2016 7:26 AM
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Also, posting from Paris. Je suis Charlie Sheen
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