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coastal elite @ October 5, 2007 10:52 AM
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BBC and al-Jazeera. But mostly I get up on current events from the Daily Show and Colbert Report, hahah. The news just frustrates me so much, especially in this country. The fact that Fox News is even somewhat taken as a serious news source means there has to be something wrong over here.
MoonBaseOne @ October 5, 2007 11:20 AM
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www.drudgereport.com


Occiosanally they pump some story, but only cause they found it first....good shit right there.
MoonBaseOne @ October 5, 2007 11:22 AM
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For music news

www.thedailyswarm.com

Awesome site, like drudge but just about the music industry. Top of the line.
aboutleaving @ October 5, 2007 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by: get me on a plane

The fact that Fox News is even somewhat taken as a serious news source means there has to be something wrong over here.



Everyone sort of knows Fox News is crap here, but not many people have actually seen it. I was (and still kind of am) shocked by the sort of people on Fox News, like O'Reilly when I actually watched it. The fact it's actually considered and used by people as a news channel is just sad and shows people are more interested in entertainment than news, or news as long as it's entertaining.

Here, not many people watch the news because it's "boring" (Sky News is owned by Murdoch as well but the concept of him getting away with TV as insane as Fox in this country is ridiculous, so it's pretty much the same as BBC but with a bit more effort put into the "breaking news" visuals), and therefore people tend to shut up about important issues (they don't have an opinion), and not vote. In America, those same people watch Fox and form (moronic) opinions.
Toilet Fleet @ October 5, 2007 11:52 AM
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I have to wonder about Fox News at times. It's obvious they have--value assertions aside--the most efficient and solid profit model of any news organization in the states, and it's equally clear that they fall into the mold of a profit-seeking news agency; you can compare the first five stories on a Fox affiliate's evening news to any of the other big three competitors and come to the same conclusion.

That said, here is what puzzles me: who is the force that molded Fox into a certain socio-political mold? If it's purely profit-seeking, then clearly there were only two reasons to adopt the fairly conservative slant they put on things:

1. The conservative market in the United States is the largest, and therefore, the most profitable overall.
2. The conservative market in the United States is the most neglected, and therefore, the easiest in which to obtain a majority share.

As we know from talk radio, the New York Post, and other outlets, nobody neglects right-wing views in the U.S. That means, obviously, that Fox is merely giving a large portion of the public what it wants. And really, is Fox News to blame for pandering to a demanding audience? Ethically, yes, but dollars and cents wise, not at all.

Furthermore, Bill O'Reilly is utterly HILARIOUS. It's all the ridiculousness of the Colbert Report without all that messy satiric brilliance.
aboutleaving @ October 5, 2007 12:09 PM
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That said, here is what puzzles me: who is the force that molded Fox into a certain socio-political mold?



Murdoch apparently. You should check out Outfoxed...Tons of interviews with former employees. When he came in everything started to change.


As we know from talk radio, the New York Post, and other outlets, nobody neglects right-wing views in the U.S. That means, obviously, that Fox is merely giving a large portion of the public what it wants. And really, is Fox News to blame for pandering to a demanding audience? Ethically, yes, but dollars and cents wise, not at all.



If Fox advertised itself as a conversative channel it would be slightly less annoying, but they point out to you every couple of minutes in some kind of flashing visual that they're fair and balanced and O'Reilly Factor being a "no spin zone", when it's literally an angry man telling lies and twisting the truth sometimes.

I agree it's funny, as funny as it is fucked up. When he was talking about Malmedy for the 2nd time and saying the US committed atrocities etc. I was laughing, but at the same time, it makes me pretty sad that so many people in America take it seriously and think it's a good thing. It amazes me that an educated group of people could look at Fox with anything but laughs.
xandresxpetx @ October 5, 2007 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by:jon.

whatever you do don't listen to dwarn

LastOnePicked @ October 5, 2007 12:44 PM
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Outfoxed is definitely an interesting watch...the idea of having a "message of the day" that they'll hammer throughout the day is pretty ridiculous. But all that aside, i think the main problem with fox is that they tend to blur the line between News Show and Opinion Show. Hannity/O'Riley will spend 20 minutes going off on some diatribe about whatever it is they're against, toss out a couple of carefully picked facts, bitch about the "mainstream media" not telling people the whole story, (even though they're the #1 news channel i think) and then conclude with "Fair and Balanced." Unfortunately a good portion of the country doesn't recognize what they're doing.
aboutleaving @ October 5, 2007 12:52 PM
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Bill O'Reilly also tells outright lies, even after being corrected.

destroytheweak @ October 5, 2007 6:04 PM
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bill got pwned in that whole video. i fcuking hate when people are then swear they are right even when they know they aren't.
Dwarn @ October 5, 2007 7:07 PM
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Now that you have all seen Bill O'Liely's lying ass in action, let's go back to October of 2006 and review this clip of Bill totally refusing to allow Prof. Jim Fetzer to make any points (or even get in a complete sentence!), instead O'Liely resorts to name-calling and ad hominem attacks the entire time! The person who posted this clip brazenly claimed that Fetzer had been "pwned" by O'Liely, when in fact, now that you know about all the new evidence that has come out THIS year, you know it was the other way around!
Toilet Fleet @ October 5, 2007 9:56 PM
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Originally posted by:Dwarn

name-calling and ad hominem attacks



Originally posted by:Dwarn

Bill O'Liely



O'Reilly may be a jingoist par excellence, but his points about the irreducible complexity of the conspiracy and the nigh-complete (read: not just American) dismissal of the 9/11 truth movement aren't invalidated by his rude and disrespectful dismissal of an invited guest on his program. Even if he couldn't get in a word edgewise (which he couldn't, a typical O'Reilly tactic), he never addressed those points when they were raised--and few ever do.
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