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(brian) @ October 20, 2005 6:10 PM
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over my years as a student, i have developed a few theories on education. for the most part, i have kept them to myself, but now i shall share them with the world. prepare to be enlightened...



i wish to found an institute of higher learning in which these key ideas are implemented:

final grades for all courses will be determined by the following: 4 exams over the course of the semester, relevant group and individual projects, papers if applicable, and a one on one "interview" or personal evaluation done by the professor at the end of the semester to test the student's aptitude in the subject matter, with the most importance placed on the final individual review.

all tests will be take home. in the professional world, multiple resources are available, so why force students to memorize things they don't need to?

professors will be encouraged to build personal relationships with students through classroom discussion and personal interaction via meetings and appointments.

all professors will be required to take and pass a rigorous course in public speaking.

homework and busywork do not exist. extra work can be provided to the student if he or she wishes to create a buffer zone for his or her test scores, but will not be mandatory.

the requirements for graduation will be inversely proportional to the student's IQ. that is, a student with an IQ of 150 will have fewer requirements to fulfill than a student with an IQ of 120 in the same degree program.

students will only be required to take classes in his or her major. if the student wishes, he or she may take other classes and will get credit, but none will be required.

no greek life. (sorry all you greek kids.)

the last year of the student's tenure at the institution will be spent in his or her major field gaining experience through internships and co-op programs.


man, i'm a genius.
JGalt @ October 20, 2005 8:11 PM
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Originally posted by:x poisontears x


"final grades for all courses will be determined by the following: 4 exams over the course of the semester, relevant group and individual projects, papers if applicable, and a one on one "interview" or personal evaluation done by the professor at the end of the semester to test the student's aptitude in the subject matter, with the most importance placed on the final individual review."

This is how most classes are now, except for the interview, and give or take some group projects. Most of the classes consist of 2-3 tests.


"professors will be encouraged to build personal relationships with students through classroom discussion and personal interaction via meetings and appointments."

They already are encouraged. They are required to hold office hours as part of their job. But it takes 2 to tango. The students usually dont want to hang out with their teachers. Many classes are arranged in a way where there are open discussions.



"all professors will be required to take and pass a rigorous course in public speaking."

Most take some course during their own education. But I agree many speak poorly.

"homework and busywork do not exist. extra work can be provided to the student if he or she wishes to create a buffer zone for his or her test scores, but will not be mandatory."

Homework is meant to help the student. When I took accounting or organic chemistry I would have failed if I did not go home and do problems out of the book. There were no assigned problems. It was up to the student.

"the requirements for graduation will be inversely proportional to the student's IQ. that is, a student with an IQ of 150 will have fewer requirements to fulfill than a student with an IQ of 120 in the same degree program."

This is an odd idea.


"no greek life. (sorry all you greek kids.)"

frats and sororities do suck.

"the last year of the student's tenure at the institution will be spent in his or her major field gaining experience through internships and co-op programs."

I am in this process right now at my school.



(brian) @ October 20, 2005 8:25 PM
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uh... thanks. i guess that means you agree or something?
mannequinplastercore @ October 21, 2005 12:32 AM
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Everything you say makes some sense except for your comments on IQ. IQ tests have been accepted to be incredibly arbitrary for a number of reasons. The first one is that IQ tests can relate to your mood. Ie. a depressed person, while maybe as intelligent as the peppy person will get a lower score. So if you're having a bad day, you'd be fucked for the rest of your life and would be barred from higher education. Second of all, IQ tests are culturally specific. That is, the questions refer to a dominant culture that may not be understandable to someone who is from a different one. While IQ tests are meant to measure inherent ability, they tend to be ethnocentric and unreliable. I think anyone who wants to go to university should go, and those who don't want to, shouldn't.
Man is Truth @ October 21, 2005 1:30 AM
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all tests will be take home. in the professional world, multiple resources are available, so why force students to memorize things they don't need to?

Your boss does not hand you a task and then say, "Go home and think this one over. Maybe get together with a few friends on it and split it up into parts."
(brian) @ October 21, 2005 1:48 AM
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Originally posted by: mannequinplastercore

Everything you say makes some sense except for your comments on IQ. IQ tests have been accepted to be incredibly arbitrary for a number of reasons. The first one is that IQ tests can relate to your mood. Ie. a depressed person, while maybe as intelligent as the peppy person will get a lower score. So if you're having a bad day, you'd be fucked for the rest of your life and would be barred from higher education. Second of all, IQ tests are culturally specific. That is, the questions refer to a dominant culture that may not be understandable to someone who is from a different one. While IQ tests are meant to measure inherent ability, they tend to be ethnocentric and unreliable. I think anyone who wants to go to university should go, and those who don't want to, shouldn't.



which is why they are always developing new IQ tests that are getting more and more universal.
(brian) @ October 21, 2005 1:51 AM
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Originally posted by: I Have Returned

all tests will be take home. in the professional world, multiple resources are available, so why force students to memorize things they don't need to?

Your boss does not hand you a task and then say, "Go home and think this one over. Maybe get together with a few friends on it and split it up into parts."



by resources i was refering more to text and factual resources, not peers. so maybe takehome wasn't the best way to put it. open book/note/etc is more what i meant.
mannequinplastercore @ October 21, 2005 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by:x poisontears x

Originally posted by: mannequinplastercore

Everything you say makes some sense except for your comments on IQ. IQ tests have been accepted to be incredibly arbitrary for a number of reasons. The first one is that IQ tests can relate to your mood. Ie. a depressed person, while maybe as intelligent as the peppy person will get a lower score. So if you're having a bad day, you'd be fucked for the rest of your life and would be barred from higher education. Second of all, IQ tests are culturally specific. That is, the questions refer to a dominant culture that may not be understandable to someone who is from a different one. While IQ tests are meant to measure inherent ability, they tend to be ethnocentric and unreliable. I think anyone who wants to go to university should go, and those who don't want to, shouldn't.



which is why they are always developing new IQ tests that are getting more and more universal.



You have way too much faith in the system. Why would they try and make IQ tests more universal when they already exclude marginalized groups in a manner that is most expedient for those in power? Believe it or not, everyone doesn't always have their eye on equality. Plus the fact that intelligence doesn't always prove how well you'll do in university. Emotional Quotient (or EQ) is a very good indicator of how someone will survive socially, because let's face it; if you're an emotional retard in school and the workplace, you're not neccisarily going to be an efficient member of a team. Still, I think standardized testing is a joke. Good luck creating one that will be universally applicable.
mannequinplastercore @ October 21, 2005 3:35 PM
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Originally posted by:JohnnyV
tests aren't supposed to be designed so that they test everyone equally. they are supposed to find out how intelligent you are, how well your brain is able to handle certain lines of thinking, etc.



Then by your definition, they ARE supposed to test equally. Intelligence is supposed to be a universally measurable characteristic. However, IQ tests don't test your inherent intelligence, but your knowlege. Intelligence and knowledge are different. Knowlege is culturally based and is therefore not a universal measure, because it varies from culture to culture. If I am a kid that grows up in a dirt floor shack in Columbia, I may know tonnes about the drug lords that have been in power, but don't know how to write. It's not because I'm not intelligent, it is because I have not been provided with the tools to learn that piece of knowlege. It is an extreme example, but think of this; it can happen on a much smaller scale. Because education in schools from state to state are not 100% standardized, a smart kid from Brooklyn may get a lower score than a stupid kid from Minneapolis. And I don't know about you, but I would rather put the smart kid into university, regardless of what some test says.
Man is Truth @ October 22, 2005 3:43 PM
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I see your point, that in the real word you have to be able to think on your feet and be able to apply your knowledge. But in the real world, exams like that don't happen, you don't have jobs where you are suddenly told to sit and write for hours and hours about very specific items in a very specific time...


Yes, but the tasks one is handed are typically only handed out assuming that one is intelligent enough to handle these tasks. One gets to that point, being trusted to just take a task on hand, by having a pool of knowledge from which he can draw. One develops such a pool by fuckin LEARNING! And learning is reinforced with... _____ (fill in the blank)
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