And the Republican shutdown begins... 155 replies, 44004 views

crunkmoose
10/1/2013 7:52:00 AM
Just what our economy needed. Its so nice to live in a nation where our government can't actually keep from shutting down and our credit is slowly being downgraded. I just hope the GOP realizes that if they default on our debt it will be the beginning of the end of our status as a first world nation.
Jason Voorheees
10/1/2013 10:38:00 AM
October 1, 2013

Government shutdown: What's the cost?

Shutting down the government could cost the federal government well over $2 billion dollars if it resembles the last shutdowns in 1995-1996, though the economy would be harmed in additional ways that are nearly impossible to measure.

The Office of Management and Budget estimated that two government shutdowns in 1995 and 1996, totaling 27 days, cost the federal government $1.4 billion. That's over $2 billion in today's dollars on costs like back pay to furloughed federal workers and uncollected fines and taxes. That number doesn't begin to account for intangible losses in worker morale and productivity, and confidence in the federal government.

Doug Holtz-Eakin, the former director of the Congressional Budget Office, said the federal government spends roughly $3 billion a day in discretionary spending, so a disruption like the ones in 1995 and 1996 could wind up being roughly equivalent to the cost of keeping the government running.

"There's some distraction costs that never go away and they're real."

Among those distractions is the amount of time federal managers and human resources employees must spend preparing their shutdown plans. Prior to the 1980s, many agencies would simply continue running if there was a funding gap. That changed with a legal memo from Attorney General Benjamin Civiletti saying government work had to stop, with the exception of certain employees.

That's when those agencies had to start writing plans for a government shutdown - not a full time job, but additional responsibilities on top of their regular work, said John Cooney, a former Office of Management and Budget attorney who helped develop these plans. "They'd have to put aside whatever other functions they had because this one is on an absolute deadline," he said.
Dianana
10/1/2013 11:00:00 AM
The Republican party is so divided because there were a lot of them that did not want to do this. Again, blame it on those far-right dicks.
Jason Voorheees
10/1/2013 12:02:00 PM
^you'll love this:


In shutdown, a sneak attack on women's health

By Cecile Richards, Special to CNN Tue October 1, 2013

(CNN) -- Instead of keeping the government running and focusing on the economy and other pressing issues facing the country, the House leadership has decided to play politics with women's health and economic stability.

In its 43rd vote to dismantle the Affordable Care Act, the House has shut down the government to delay the law's implementation until 2015 in a desperate attack that could leave millions of people without health coverage.

But a small group of far-right members of the House pushed through a provision that goes even further, passing an amendment that would allow employers and insurance companies to refuse to cover women's preventive health care because they have a personal "moral" objection.

This would include birth control, HPV testing, breast-feeding services and counseling for domestic violence. Any employer or insurance company could refuse to cover them, and women would have no recourse. It's a clause that could easily be abused by employers and insurers. And the amendment only covers the women's preventive benefit -- employers would not be able to refuse to cover preventive care specific to men for "moral" reasons.

This is from the same Republican leaders who tried to shut the government down in 2011 over funding for Planned Parenthood's cancer screenings, birth control and other preventive health care services and have tried dozens of times since then to block women from making their own personal medical decisions.





why just make asses of yourselves when you can make asses of yourselves AND alienate all women. lol
Dianana
10/1/2013 12:08:00 PM
Oh, I know. We're all a bunch of slutty she-devils.
LEATHERFACE
10/1/2013 12:09:00 PM
I think it's high time we got a taste of second place.
Brett Weir
10/1/2013 2:57:00 PM
We already were below 2nd place?
the cat
10/1/2013 4:25:00 PM
In healthcare we weren't even in the top 30, but paid about twice as much per person as everyone else. When politicians say "the free market" they mean "getting a colonoscopy with the hubble space telescope"
crunkmoose
10/1/2013 5:25:00 PM
Originally posted by: the cat

In healthcare we weren't even in the top 30, but paid about twice as much per person as everyone else. When politicians say "the free market" they mean "getting a colonoscopy with the hubble space telescope"

Somewhere beyond 10th in education and slipping in standard of living to a couple European countries as well. This country is becoming a shit hole PDQ and if one wanted to put the root cause of the problem in a single sentence, its obscenely rich greedy sociopathic fucks who will and for the last 40 years have done everything they can to make themselves even more obscenely rich greedy sociopathic fucks.

The minimum wage is now $2 less in adjusted dollars than it was in 1968. Productivity and profits have increased by huge leaps in the last 40 years and in the same period of time wages for most have stayed stagnant in adjusted dollars or actually gone down while wages and income for those at the very top has tripled in that same time period. .... fucking discuss.
Dianana
10/1/2013 5:34:00 PM
No lies detected.
Jason Voorheees
10/1/2013 10:18:00 PM
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the cat
10/2/2013 12:06:00 AM
PSA: That cover isn't photoshopped, that's really what they used
ScrewFlanders
10/2/2013 6:56:00 AM
i dont get why obamacare is the worst thing to have been introduced to the public.
crunkmoose
10/2/2013 7:47:00 AM
Originally posted by: ScrewFlanders

i dont get why obamacare is the worst thing to have been introduced to the public.

There are a couple possibilities here that are not mutually exclusive.

1. It helps poor people

2. People are probably going to actually like it after its finally in effect

3. Its a huge amount of spending that doesn't go towards putting more money in the hands of the wealthy (yes, insurance companies get more customers, but they are also required to spend a certain percentage of payments on actual treatment or pay large penalties, which is not how things have worked with these middlemen up to this point).

4. The scary brown man who wants to kill us all and tax our corpses supports it, so it must be an evil conspiracy.
ScrewFlanders
10/2/2013 8:01:00 AM
i mean it has to have some negatives right?
sidney
10/2/2013 8:26:00 AM
Originally posted by: ScrewFlanders

i mean it has to have some negatives right?

it does...he acts like it will be the best thing ever and nothing negative will come out of it all.

and I'm not going to argue with crunk because

a. he doesn't listen anyway

b. I actually do not care if it passes or not.....I could take it either way.
Dianana
10/2/2013 9:21:00 AM
Originally posted by: ScrewFlanders

i mean it has to have some negatives right?

yes but you have to start from somewhere, right? Even Obama has said that certain things will have to be ironed out over time. This is a really big deal and a complete overhaul of the healthcare in this country, it would be nuts to expect it to be perfect right away.


I LOVE how some R-Jerkoff tried to say some "Oh, hurr hurr, it looks like Obamacare isn't off to a great start today."

You reaching-ass mother fucker. Yes, it seems like many Americans are trying to apply for health care at an alarming rate and the servers can't take it. That's an IT issue, not an Obama issue, submit a fucking ticket you cunt.
ScrewFlanders
10/2/2013 9:31:00 AM
sure and that makes sense with any legislation. i think everyone needs healthcare. just trying to form an opinion that steers clear of loud rhetoric.
deadlift
10/2/2013 9:43:00 AM
ScrewFlanders
10/2/2013 9:47:00 AM
great photo-op.
Dianana
10/2/2013 9:52:00 AM
Originally posted by: deadlift


"haha, the majority of Americans and a lot of our own party don't want this but nbd!"
Brett Weir
10/2/2013 1:28:00 PM
If I were a republican I'd be so fucking pissed off right now. These fringe motherfuckers make Trent Lott look sane.
the cat
10/2/2013 1:47:00 PM
I'm jerking off to a picture of Ron Paul right now, with my Gadsden flag speedo on. My keyboard is covered in white power. Fuck the poor. Taste the freedom baby, taste it
crunkmoose
10/2/2013 7:55:00 PM
Originally posted by: ScrewFlanders

i mean it has to have some negatives right?


Originally posted by: sidney

Originally posted by: ScrewFlanders

i mean it has to have some negatives right?

it does...he acts like it will be the best thing ever and nothing negative will come out of it all.

and I'm not going to argue with crunk because

a. he doesn't listen anyway

b. I actually do not care if it passes or not.....I could take it either way.

I'm sure it has a number of negatives to it. I'm also sure that fucking NONE of them are as bad as shutting down our government or even coming close to default again.
sidney
10/3/2013 8:56:00 AM
I was just talking about the healthcare bill specifically. The shut down of the government is a ridiculous and childish event that I just shake my head at.
LEATHERFACE
10/3/2013 10:39:00 AM
People need health insurance, simply for the fact that ER's can't turn people away and a lot of people take advantage of that. That being said, there's too much hysteria from both sides of the aisle. This "omg you don't want people to have healthcare" vs "this is socialism uber alles" crap has to go. This law comes with consequences, and there's also consequences if it gets struck down. I am going to say that I believe a lot of the hysteria from the left is about protecting the Obama legacy, that's just the impression I get. The hysteria from the right is pretty well documented by this point. Also, I think that any effective leader would have abandoned the legislation at this point for the good of the nation and the functioning of government rather than having his own way. A lot of childish behavior from the halls of power, says I.